Senator Hanson-Young -Thank you to both of you for your opening remarks. I wanted to pick up on one thing Senator Parry said, which may have been a throwaway comment but I actually think it goes to the heart of your concern about this legislation, that you need a broad net in order to catch the tricky fish.

Senator Hanson-Young -Part of your submission talks about the concerns you have with the amendments in the current bill in relation to material support. Would you agree with the previous witnesses that the way this is drafted is too vague and it is quite incomprehensible for somebody to actually understand exactly what 'material support' means?

Senator Hanson-Young -Does the Law Council have a general view, then, about legislation that is drafted and enacted by parliament that is so broad that the question is how anybody is going to know until it is actually tested?

Dr Biok -Senator, I suggest also that what would assist in saving people's lives-and I agree with you, I think that we need to do what we can to stop a lot of these boats from leaving-is to try to educate people in Indonesia and Malaysia and also to make their lives more worthwhile there. There is a lot of connection now between the Australian government and the Indonesian government. I deal quite regularly with people in the Indonesian Embassy and try to provide them with some training and assistance on refugee matters.

Senator Hanson-Young -Mr Connolly, when you outlined your major concerns in your opening statement at the beginning, you mentioned that part of the problem was that people have not been able to participate in discussing whether this is a change to the types of roles that ASIO currently have, and you referenced how extensive the debates have been.

Senator Hanson-Young -I have a few questions but, because we are tight for time, you might have to take some on notice. While this bill has very clear intent in terms of wanting to crack down on and bring to account people who are participating in people-smuggling, and I understand and accept that, Australia has signed the UN anti-people-smuggling protocol.

Senator HANSON-YOUNG (South Australia) (6.49 pm) - by leave -

On the same matter, just briefly: I do tend to agree with Senator Ronaldson in that I think it is a little ironic that the government are now taking credit for the work of saving the National Archives offices around the country.

Senator Hanson-Young -I would like to continue with the topic of family planning and the aid program, the guiding principles. Since the announcement of these new principles in March 2009 can AusAID please give me an outline as to what actual new funding has been made available for these family planning activities, where it is happening and a bit of a breakdown. I have specifically asked for the new funding.

 CHAIR -Senator Hanson Young has questions on those two, I think.

Senator Hanson Young -Thank you, Chair. You mentioned 26 schools have asked for their index to be reviewed?

Dr Hill -That is correct. That is as of yesterday.

Senator Hanson-Young -Firstly, I would like to apologise. I know you have covered some of the broader issues that I am going to ask you questions about, but I was in the other committee. You have had a discussion about the Oceanic Viking, but I have questions specifically in relation to the cargo ship that is docked in Merak, which we know is a different vessel.